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"The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock" (jukesjukesjukes) 12/20/2016 at 14:23 • Filed to: None

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My mom is looking at buying a new car, but it will be hard. Wants an AWD cross over with a manual, with a budget of $15k-$20k. I suggested a Mini Countryman, and various Subarus. She shot down Minis because of reliably, and said her current 2012 Impreza is too plasticy. So no Subarus.

I’m stumped.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:25

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Mazda?

E92M3 > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:26

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CX-5? Can those be had in a manual? I think Kia still offers a manual in one of theirs.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:28

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Maybe Honda. I heard you could special order the CR-V with a manual. Idk how many are on the used market though.

Although IIRC it was only on FWD ones :(

Party-vi > E92M3 12/20/2016 at 14:28

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No AWD and manny tranny

For Sweden > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:29

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She wants a Subaru, she just needs to accept that.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:30

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Stick with the current car?

Wacko > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:30

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good luck finding something awd with a manual other than a Subbie.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:30

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An old CRV and budget for mods/maintenance?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > For Sweden 12/20/2016 at 14:30

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She wants the Subaru she already has.

Stapleface > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:30

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Yeah, her budget needs some work, or she has to buy used I think. Probably the only thing I can think of is the Renegade Sport.  

Nothing > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:31

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Various Jeep (Renegade, Patriot, Compass, Wrangler) models are about all I can think of that combine manual with AWD ability. It seems anything other than what you’ve already mentioned, you can get a CUV with either AWD or Manual, but not both (HR-V, CX-5, Juke).

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 14:31

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She hates the CVT, and it’s too underpowered.

Takuro Spirit > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:32

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You can get a Compass with 4x4 and a stick. Not sure why you’d want one though.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:32

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Manual version of the same car. Sorry dude, she wants a Subie whether she realizes it or not.

Party-vi > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:32

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Jeep Compass 4x4, Jeep Renegade Sport 4x4, Jeep Patriot 4x4. All manual base models. Most under $20,000.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Stapleface 12/20/2016 at 14:33

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NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPEALLTHENOPES. Seriously, what kind of sadist are you to suggest that piece of shit?

dashbobthebuilder > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:33

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Force her to buy a Subaru. The new ones are not too bad, my wife has put 21,000 on a 2016 Impreza over the last 11 months and (knock on wood) we have had no issues at all yet. The CVT is the only major problem with the new Subaru’s, and if she is going with a manual anyway, that is a non-issue.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > Stapleface 12/20/2016 at 14:33

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I meant new(to her).

PartyPooper2012 > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:34

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why crossover with manual?

Sports car with manual rwd, or crossover with auto and awd.

Chevy aveo or whatever the new incarnation of it... save some money, get a manual and it’s confused as to what it wants to be. no awd tho

Probenja > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:34

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Wrangler Unlimited and mod it so it looks like a Brodozer...

Or just tell her to wait for the next Crosstrek which they should launch next year.

PartyPooper2012 > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:35

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p.s. just about only Morgan is not plasticy and made of wood. All others are made of plastic.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Nothing 12/20/2016 at 14:37

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Juke Nismo RS can be had with both.

Wobbles the Mind > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:37

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If she won’t do a Countryman (which is great) or a Crosstrek of Forester (which are great) then I guess she wants a Wrangler Sport (which is fine).

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 12/20/2016 at 14:38

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All shit.

jimz > Nothing 12/20/2016 at 14:39

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yeah, the Compass and Patriot offer the combination but OP should in no way take part in sentencing his mom to drive one of those.

ecchh.

bhtooefr > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:39

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AWD and manual?

The entire list of what the EPA considers a SUV (which includes crossovers) with AWD and a manual from the past decade, in decreasing order of MPG for the best model. Non-Mini/Subarus are bolded, but that doesn’t mean that they’re good ideas, and the further you get into the list, the more true SUVs you get.

Renegade 1.4T

Crosstrek/XV Crosstrek 2.0

Compass/Patriot 2.4

Forester 2.5

Outback 2.5

Tucson 2.4

Sportage 2.4

Escape 2.3

Grand Vitara 2.4

Forester 2.5T

Outback 2.5T

Element 2.4

X3 3.0

Santa Fe 2.7

Wrangler 3.6

Nitro 3.7

Liberty 3.7

Grand Vitara 2.7

Wrangler Unlimited 3.6

Cayenne 3.6

Xterra 4.0

FJ Cruiser 4.0

Wrangler 3.8

H3 3.7

Cayenne GTS 4.8

Cayenne TransSiberia 4.8

Tripper > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:42

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Your mom wants a forrester, even if she is saying that she does not.

Nothing > jimz 12/20/2016 at 14:43

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Heck no. I was just pointing out the scrap heap that’s left with that combination! It’s not an easy one to find.

Stapleface > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 14:44

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Honestly, what in that price range is “good”? I was simply going by what was affordable.

TheHondaBro > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:45

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Doesn’t the HRV come with a manual?

Wacko > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 14:46

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not both at the same time.

No awd and manual.

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 14:46

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She should at least give a newer Subbie a chance. I went to my craigslist and seattles to see a bigger market and just searched for AWD, manual, and he budget back to 2012 pretty much all that came up were subarus, jeeps(fiat), the countryman, and one Mitsubishi.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Stapleface 12/20/2016 at 14:46

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Used Subie? It’s an unrealistic set of requirements if buying new because you’re going to get better reliability out of a used Subaru than a new Fiat masquerading as a Jeep. Seems like used is what they’re looking for at least.

Wacko > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 14:47

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it’s the only awd manual option on the market in his price range.

Nothing > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 14:47

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Hmm, you made me check! I don’t see that as a current option. The RS is listed as available with a 6 spd in FWD only. Was it available in prior years?

Wacko > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 12/20/2016 at 14:49

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my mother still has her 2003 manual CRV

Steve in Manhattan > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 14:52

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This is the Subaru you’re looking for.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Wacko 12/20/2016 at 14:52

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Poo, someone told me that they were doing the RS with both now, but it appears not. What’s the point in a Nismo RS that’s FWD?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Nothing 12/20/2016 at 14:54

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Might be. Someone who usually knows better than me insisted that it was, but I’m not seeing it on their site either. Weird though because I thought all of the Nismo ones were AWD, which would make sense, but apparently not. Fucking Nissan...

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > jimz 12/20/2016 at 14:55

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No one’s sentenced to drive one of those - they’re sentenced to watch the tow-truck drive to the shop with it.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Wacko 12/20/2016 at 14:56

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I like to think of them as third gen Wagovans.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 15:00

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For $20,000 and AWD it’s going to be shit.

jimz > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 15:00

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I’m surprised CR has so little data on them, but for the couple years it has ratings for the Patriot, the problem spots are suspension, trim/paint, and power equipment.

so the Compass/Patriot quality issues are more “I’m starting to get annoyed at this car” then they are “strand you and call a tow truck” problems.

it’s a shame, though, those kinds of problems were part and parcel of Daimler-era Chrysler vehicles, and FCA doesn’t seem to have done anything to address them.

bob and john > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 15:01

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The only other AWD manual that you can get for that price range is a used A4, and im not sure that falls into the cross over portion

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 12/20/2016 at 15:02

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Doesn’t have to be.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 15:03

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As someone else said, a Subaru is basically what she wants. Crosstrek with a manual will do nicely. And understood that 2012 dash is pretty crappy - we have a 2014. But I believe 2015 onwards they refreshed it and it looks and feels quite a bit nicer. For that price range and requirements there really isn’t much else - unless she wants something older and more expensive to maintain (like a BMW X1 or X3 perhaps).

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > jimz 12/20/2016 at 15:04

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I don’t really trust CR anymore. It seems like alot of known issues get ignored, and people not liking the navigation system get extra weight. Seems like everyone buying one on here ends up with them in the shop pretty quickly.

TahoeSTi > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 15:05

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She wants a Subaru with a clutch pedal. I agree the new ones are too plasticity so go older. There’s no CUV or SUV with a manual anymore.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 15:08

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A base model Subaru is still garbage.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 12/20/2016 at 15:10

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Underpowered, yes. Garbage, no. It will keep going pretty much forever, though I heard there are issues with the new engines relative to the EJ engines.

Wacko > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 15:15

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not just nissan, mazda same thing with the CX-5, same story everywhere.

vicali > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 15:18

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Can she shift with her left hand?

Blitzen;

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/vancouver/2001-subaru-legacy-blitzen-wagon-jdm-twin-turbo-rhd/1222582236?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

Stagea;

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/chilliwack/1998-nissan-skyline-rs4-s-wagon/1225321761?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 15:19

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Used Porsche Cayanne Manual

LongbowMkII > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 15:19

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Buy a golf R and lift it.

500x? It’s Italian plastic.

E92M3 > Party-vi 12/20/2016 at 15:20

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Their website contradicts you.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Wacko 12/20/2016 at 15:21

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There isn’t a “performance” variant of the CX5 or most crossovers though.

Wacko > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 12/20/2016 at 15:25

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not with a manual.

That’s why in 2010 I bought a new AWD manual SX4

then when I crashed it in 2015 the insurance gave me the price of a 2015 Subaru impreza since it was the closest thing to a manual awd sx4.

I took th money and bought a 7 passenger cuv, since 3rd kid was on the way.

Matsayz > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 15:38

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A cub with a Manuel? I don’t anything can be had that’s fun. Have her check out 2010+ VW Tiguans. They can be had with 4Motion and heated leatherette seats for $14-16k. Get an APR Stage 1 tune and she’ll be happy.

This is what we’re doing for my wife. Trading in the ‘08 GTI...

Chasaboo > For Sweden 12/20/2016 at 15:38

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When you tire of Subaru, you tire of life.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > Wobbles the Mind 12/20/2016 at 15:58

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She test drove a Forester when she bought her Impreza and did not like how it drove.

RPM esq. > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/20/2016 at 17:26

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I don’t think it comes in a manual but she could probably get a very nice recent CX-5 in that range. Everybody likes those don’t they?

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > RPM esq. 12/20/2016 at 17:30

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My aunt and uncle have one, even though it’s an autobox they have said all good things about it.

Party-vi > E92M3 12/20/2016 at 23:57

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That is not a thing on their US website.

E92M3 > Party-vi 12/21/2016 at 09:36

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I took that screenshot from Mazdausa.com.

However... good luck finding one in a dealers allocation.

Party-vi > E92M3 12/21/2016 at 09:51

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The Mazda browser website doesn’t let you pick AWD and manual. Sad!

E92M3 > Party-vi 12/21/2016 at 10:24

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What if you select a different trim? Maybe it’s a mobile site bug?

Party-vi > E92M3 12/21/2016 at 10:32

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When I clicked “manual” it blocked out “AWD” along with the Touring and Grand Touring models, and when I hit “AWD” it blocked out “manual”. I’m certain they aren’t for sale in the US.